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Episode 620 – David Stockman & Dr Paul Craig Roberts

Thursday October 6th 2016

In this edition we welcome David Stockman to discuss the economic crisis, past and present, stocks, bonds, the national debt, and politics! Then, Paul Craig Roberts joins us to talk about the Cold War, the current state of relations with Russia, and nuclear weapons.


Joker and the Thief – Wolfmother
Latitude Universal – Lalann

Related Links: David Stockman’s Contra Corner | Paul Craig Roberts

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34 Responses to Episode 620 – David Stockman & Dr Paul Craig Roberts

  1. michael October 15, 2016 at 6:25 am #

    Always enjoy Dr. PCR!! Joker and the thief? Cool tune

  2. jane254 October 14, 2016 at 1:54 pm #

    What in the world do we tell our children?

  3. Terry October 12, 2016 at 6:45 pm #

    If the ISIS collaboraters were in Syria behind enemy lines than no one can take credit or acknowledge it except the Russians. The Russians don’t always want to be the aggressors so they may of hit them and let it go with just a little press.

  4. takeapill October 11, 2016 at 11:48 am #

    As much as I respect Paul Craig Roberts, this man is clueless when it comes to Islam which was and is a political system of conquest disguised as a religion. Sharia is a threat to our laws which have existed since the Magna Carta.

  5. Andrew October 11, 2016 at 8:54 am #

    Love your new format and web page.. Would it be possible to tell in the downloads when the next guest on the same night begins?
    Sometimes I may not want to listen to some guest as I may not be interested in that segment, so when I download, I would like to know what segment the guest starts in.
    Thank you Andy Weir

  6. Bill October 11, 2016 at 6:54 am #

    Don’t Be Fooled by the Political Game: The Illusion of Freedom in America
    By John W. Whitehead
    August 10, 2015

    “The shaping of the will of Congress and the choosing of the American president has become a privilege reserved to the country’s equestrian classes, a.k.a. the 20% of the population that holds 93% of the wealth, the happy few who run the corporations and the banks, own and operate the news and entertainment media, compose the laws and govern the universities, control the philanthropic foundations, the policy institutes, the casinos, and the sports arenas.”—Journalist Lewis Lapham

    Being a citizen in the American corporate state is much like playing against a stacked deck: you’re always going to lose.

  7. Bill October 11, 2016 at 6:38 am #

    “We’ll know our disinformation campaign is complete, when absolutely everything the American people believe is false.”
    William Casey, Director of the CIA (1981)

    Conspiracy vs. Agenda
    Conspiracy is where a few people get into a dark room that is slightly lit and decide how the few will give a severe blow only known between them

    An agenda are open in that they are policies put forward to the public and the reaction is observed by the elitists who are promoting the agenda. The agenda is developed in education, government, media, etc. Once it is accepted by the public it is implemented.

    This is the reason we live in an illusion. Unless we are constantly questioning the informational images created by the media, one’s reality will be based on those images. Children are not taught to think critically, they are to memorize and be indoctrinated with the theories fed to them in the educational system as being truth which becomes one’s reality. Marshall McLuhan wrote a book in the 70’s, The Medium is the Message, when technology started to emerge as the primary information tool. One’s reality is formed by the information technology in use today if it is not questioned. This is a period when the concept of technocracy and corporatocracy through an oligarchy went on steroids.

    A perfect example, which is becoming more obvious, is an agenda scripted in this presidential election cycle from a few years ago. Those controlling the mainstream media, which is controlled by Wall St. money changers, wanted Hillary, the queen of Wall St. to be elected In order to accomplish this there had to be a candidate she was being opposed by who could be easily ridiculed with baggage. The one candidate who had the greatest baggage and the biggest ego was The Don. With his ego and public notoriety he was the obvious choice. As FDR stated, presidents are selected, not elected. This statement rings more true today than ever before.

    There are many articles now being written about how disinformation works and is used to create one’s “reality”.
    2014: The Year Propaganda Came Of Age

  8. STEPHEN October 9, 2016 at 11:23 am #

    Now I know why that old crony-capitalist, GEICO-pushin’, neo-railroad robber baron Warren Buffett fawns over PUTO so much : “o- buh-MAH ” rhymes with “o-muh-HAH ” !! ( Wasn’t there a a C2M recently that included mention of part of the Satanic Panic occurring in the City of Hell On Wheels ? ) .All Aboard to Run Off The Rails on The Crazy Train ?? Negatory…I’ll check my ticket at the “twa-lay” as per JBW. In this episode , we have heard two real men , smart fellows who have been in the bowels of The Beast yet escaped digestion and metabolism by it. They have the guts to call out the system they have witnessed for what it is:doublespeak; being co-opted by delay and obfuscation; driven by legerdemain on all fronts; and in the end, hopelessly corrupt in its evil. Stockman witnessed and has exposed the dilution and flushing of The Reagan Revolution and the travesty of our so-called ” free market “. Dr. Roberts saw the juggernaut to ruin of the farce that is ” public finance “, and turned his keen mind to extrapolating the geopolitical trends and effects of that. This is what I live to see on C2M. Beautiful !! Bring Celente in soon to keep driving the spikes. There are many more tunnels to blast.

  9. marsha-b October 9, 2016 at 8:10 am #

    P.S. I’d sure like to “like” some of these comments! Go Don and Kevin. ?

    • Kevin October 9, 2016 at 8:02 pm #

      Hey Marsha Great post on Trump Neocons and Israel. I’ll leave you some thumbs and perhaps we can work out some sort of signaling and that way you would know how much I enjoyed your comment. Depending on what part of country you live in smoke signals may or may not work. But I’m going to talk with John B about that now. Let me just put your thumbs over here where you can get them. ? ? ? ???????? Hey Marsha do you plan on doing any smiling or praying in the next year or so? Oh listen to me. Like your going to be able to give me an answer within the next 6 months on this system. I’ll just leave some. Here’s your prayers Marsha dash B ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Marsha I sure do wish I could make you a smile HEY WAIT I CAN!!! ??????????? woohoo ??????????????

      JOHN B – Marsha is right about the thumbs ???. We sure could use some. It would make it easier for your loyal fans to communicate with one another. Thumbs also make it easier to open doors and drink coffee. So John we feel your love for us here in the caravan. We would probably feel that love even more if we had thumbs. John can you get us some thumbs? Thumb buttons under a posting would be awesome.

      Also John. I don’t mean to blather on but if you are getting thumbs from Element Engage can you see if they got a different perhaps more functional comment slash communication slash chat section? Perhaps one that was built after the 1990’s? Don’t get me wrong it’s not that I don’t love this comment client … well yeah it is. I mean it’s not real friendly nor flexible. It’s sort of like something you would want to send to your countries sworn enemy to slow em down and frustrate the heck out of them. Like your own version of the CIA’s Stuxnet virus they sent to Iran or Iran. One of the country’s big0 hates and we are at war with.

      Thank you big guy and MARSHA I sent this in OCTOBER of 2016 so I am hoping you get it sometime mid 2017. Of course you won’t know you were sent a message because in 1980 when NASA was designing this software they didn’t think notifications would be helpful. Much like thumbs which indeed did turn out to be very helpful.

      PS: Heck even those wooden heroes on Team America have Thumbs.

  10. marsha-b October 9, 2016 at 8:07 am #

    I love listening to Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, his quiet spirit and humor are comforting though his words may not be. One thing about the war drums concerning Russia is that Israel seems oddly out of the middle of things. I do believe Roberts knows exactly how nuts the neocons are. If anyone ever had any doubt, the emergence of Donald Trump at center stage should clarify that very well. But Israel seems strangely set aside at this time and the prayers of Americans are profound around the candidacy of Donald Trump. We flyover Americans, the country people, the deplorable clingers and may see a reprieve and a new harvest of souls for God’s kingdom. Why not? God’s will be done as “the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.”

    • Kevin October 9, 2016 at 8:20 pm #

      ? Hey Masrsh dash b. Pardon my confused look. I’m not sure if I just went through the Philadelphia Experiment as I’m not sure if I have been here before or after dropping off a pile of thumbs, some sets of hands and about a dozen heads. Well let me just play it safe and leave some more. Like Granny used to say “You can never have enogh thumbs, heads or hands laying around” Or something like that. ??????????????????????? Hay Marsha dash b I got some eyeballs here but I don’t know how to hook them up. The boss said he was going to try to find someone who knew how to modify John B’s comment section here but that would require him going back in time to the early 1980s. I don’t know if he went back in time yet or not. Quite frankly I don’t know if I’m going to know how to know. ????????????? OK Marsha dash b enjoy your thumbs, hands heads and eyeballs bye bye???? what??????

  11. October 9, 2016 at 1:32 am #

    Thank you Dr. Roberts. Great enlightenment on the current USA foreign policy confirming the still prevalentent neo con agenda to continue their total hegemony on the world. Too bad the American people are involved in this dangerous CIA and Military policy. When oh when are the American people going to wake up to the lies of the US government. There appears to be no way out, a sad testimony to the so called democracy of the people.

  12. Suzanne October 8, 2016 at 7:46 pm #


    They are faking you out.

    They want you to be afraid to be the same guy that took out seventeen opponents with kamikaze tactics that included sharp, hilarious insults.

    They want you to lay down your weapons (hilarious insults).

    They are using everyone against you, including Pence. Don’t let the sad and disappointed looks of those who surround you hypnotize you to sleep (so that you fail to deliver hilarious insults).

    The “new Trump” is the leader we have come to know. Please leave him in the closet Sunday night – he won’t be needed.

    The ‘old Trump” is the guy that takes no prisoners at debates. He’s allowed out Sunday night. Bring him with you.

    Don’t believe ANYONE (even your family) that tells you to hold back for fear of offending people even more. No one who can think is offended. That sleaze tape, in the end, is comic relief. Let the holier-than-thou’s cry in their strawberry quik. This Sunday night, be the very same guy that was hidden-mic’d on that bus eleven years ago – all braggadocio and feinting bravado – and then watch yourself sail to victory.

    Go in there and insult the heck out of the entire establishment. Pull no punches. Be as nasty as you can be. Fight dirty and fight sensationally.

    The debate is not a measure of your ability to lead the country. It’s a measure of your individuality and your cajones. America wants to see cajones – you know, the “furniture.”

    Leave your contrition home, please.

    Be Trump – and I mean the obnoxious, arrogant New Yorker. That’s who every single human being has bought tickets to see.

    Leave the nice guy at home. He’s boring in the ring.

    If they put up some infant sad sack to guilt you to smithereens, insult the little turd. Turn it back on them. Make us laugh. Say what we want to say but are afraid to say. That’s your path to victory.

    You WILL NOT offend America if you fight dirty and hard Sunday night.

    You WILL NOT offend America if you insult every establishment creep – no matter the age, creed, nationality, or sex) – that crosses your path.

    You WILL offend America if you wimp out again.

    You WILL offend America if you don’t deliver the knock-out punches (hilarious insults).

    Go New York style, or just stay home.

    [Dear CTM: If you can get this message to Trump via channels, please do. Can you disagree that it’s the best advice thus far? LOL!]

  13. Suzanne October 8, 2016 at 9:56 am #

    AnonymousOctober 8, 2016 at 1:10 AM

    Billy Bush: Cousin–Jeb AND GW Bush, Uncle–George HW Bush


    AnonymousOctober 8, 2016 at 4:55 AM

    It’s not going to be a real town hall.

    It’s not a real town, not real people, but a psy op: Can you say, Sandy Hook?

    This format is cover for an election steal. They intend to make it look like America is “onto” Trump now. They will try to create the illusion that Trump’s “movement” is actually one of galvanization away from what he is and what he represents.

    The leak of his sleaze convo was timed to synchronize with the “live” (real time) debate to create the illusion that America the People has now turned on Trump. The town hall format is nothing else but the delivery system for this bunker buster.

    This is a trap to get Trump to drop his weapons again, to get him on the ropes again. His Achilles heel is to get faked out into thinking that the questions come from sincere concerns of the public. This will most assuredly get him on the ropes again.

    It’s not three against one (The Beast and her two minions); it’s four against one (The Beast and her two minions plus “We The People”).

    See it?

    Let no one hype this new format up to be something good and positive.

    The questions will be fake. The “People” will be fake.

    This is NOT a bona fide opportunity for Trump to capitalize on his ability to connect with Joe Public.

    It’s an opportunity for Hillary to run a psy op that “proves” Joe Public is against Trump.

    It’s going to be jack boot on Trump’s throat from soup to nuts.

    Hillary will get ZERO tough questions.

    Trump will be burned in effigy. Any attempt he makes to out Clinton will be silenced by interruptions.

    We need to call the psy op out for what it is before you get suckered in and have to apologize for Trump in the aftermath.

    The contrived format is a momentum-reverse move. If this is not spelled out beforehand, the Trump train will wind up drafting in the low-pressure zone behind Hillary’s rig all the way to November 8th.

    Sunday night makes or breaks the election.

    We must attack the contrived format and the fact that it is a 100% establishment controlled lockdown BEFOREHAND.

    Alert the public to the psy op mechanisms in play.

    Tie the “leak” of the sleaze convo to the contrived format. That’s the psy op.

  14. Suzanne October 8, 2016 at 7:37 am #

    Testing: I tried to post a comment here and it didn’t work.

  15. rob October 7, 2016 at 8:35 pm #

    re:Mr.Roberts saying pre-trib Rapture believers are looking forward to a (nuclear?) holocaust:
    I am a pre-tribulation rapture believer(Titus 2:13).
    However, I am absolutely not looking forward to nuclear holocaust!There is no guarantee that there will be no nuke attacks before the great Tribulation(aka the time of Jacob’s trouble, when the world and all those who dwell in it suffer judgement and wrath).
    As a believer that when Jesus Christ, the Son of God, died on the cross He died for my sins, He took all the wrath and judgement which I deserved-there is no judgement/punishment for those in Christ(Romans 8:1).
    I am looking forward to being translated/transformed(1 John 3:2-4)in the twinkling of an eye(i Cor.15:49-52)
    and being with my Lord and Saviour forever(1 Thess.4:13-17).
    see also 1 Thess.1:10.
    grace and peace

  16. Sigrid October 7, 2016 at 2:27 pm #

    Good music…8-)

    • Kevin October 8, 2016 at 11:01 am #

      I agree Sigrid. All the songs were good today. John B and company have really be finding some great music. The show has turned me onto some bands I would have never found. Bands like Ott and The Dining Rooms. A nice little fringe benefit of being part of the Caravan.

  17. don.hensley October 7, 2016 at 1:36 pm #

    I will have to paraphrase George Will’s asinine remark about Donald Trump because I didn’t care enough to archive it or retain a link… It was something like, “Unlike Donald Trump, I am unable to express the totality of my knowledge on a given subject in 140 characters or less.” Imo, a combination of per-word paychecks and an inflated ego explain why.

    Dr. Robert distills more relevant perspective into three or four sentences than the lion’s share of pundits in the MSM. Always a valuable man to listen to.

    • Kevin October 8, 2016 at 5:10 am #

      I like Dr Paul Craig Roberts. He always seems like a good man. Fun too like that one cool uncle you had who’d sneak you beers at family reunions back when you were 10 years old. He’s always cool calm and collected. Even as he discusses today’s blue plate special of thermonuclear annihilation in an extinction level event, he still manages that smile.

      Unlike chickenshit George Wills who’s always been a pompous jackass mama’s boy. Catch that bow-tie wearing poor excuse for a man later today drinking Mimosas with Director Comey at the Ego Country Club.

  18. Denise October 7, 2016 at 1:14 pm #

    Here is an example of the “Greedy Bastard Bankers”, my neighbor works for a New Jersey bank. We are going through hurricane Matthew in central Florida, it’s Friday morning and they wanted to know why he couldn’t go to work today. I really had to bit my tongue to not say ” WHAT THOSE GREEDY BASTARDS HAVENT MADE ENOUGH MONEY!
    Sorry I just needed to vent. Keep up the good work John and your great staff.

  19. timeless October 7, 2016 at 12:56 pm #

    My high school age home schooler is reading The Federalists and was so inspired that she immediately started writting commentary on it.

    You can have your teen read “The Great Deceit: Social Pseudo-Sciences: Socialist Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing”, and that text will inspire your teen, and yourself, to skip the entire college hoax all together and put that investment of money and years toward something useful.

    The text is posted here:

    • David October 8, 2016 at 2:54 am #

      Awesome, thanks.

  20. William October 7, 2016 at 11:59 am #

    Please get Dr Roberts back after the New Year /election it was a fascinating show as always thanks, Bill P.

    • Bill October 7, 2016 at 7:51 pm #

      Don’t forget to have them read the anti-Federalist Papers. These were men that I classify as the true founders. Madison was hoodwinked by Hamilton who spoke with fork tongue. Hamilton did everything possible to get a central bank established. Too bad Hamilton didn’t practice what he preached in the papers.

  21. Bomar October 7, 2016 at 9:48 am #

    Johnny B,…

    Two fantastic interviews….

    Had to listen to them twice, to get all the nuances of the information provided…

    Thank you…


  22. Suzanne October 7, 2016 at 5:56 am #

    Here is an excellent synopsis / timeline on the Syrian affair. It really helped me understand:

  23. Kimberly October 7, 2016 at 2:46 am #

    JB, we seem to be on a mutual train of thought…

    A partial repost:

    The other thing that came to mind is that our government’s evil underpinnings depend on our original founding to further their operations while depriving us of our access of common law! They force us into their matrix that they have constructed for us over the years via wars, brainwashing, indoctrination, propaganda, suspension and deletion of our history and outright threats to our being in one form or another.

    More smoke and mirrors, the greatest of which is the Federal Reserve’s establishment = money from nothing and requiring real collateral/hard assets for this fakery as “interest” from NOTHING via fractional banking of UNsustainability! If this doesn’t burn in your craw as the foremost insult to your mental ruminations of justice; I don’t know what else will do it. For everything that has followed it legislatively has fostered this fallacy that usurps our Constitution.

    I say BS to the NTH degree!!! Just like the so called trillions of dollars that we so-call owe of which half is missing and no one has been held accountable. Does Rumsfeld ring a bell in the government’s outright mismanagement because they’re in bed with the FED RES? That was only the beginning of the admission of their criminality. Trillions more that “disappeared” have also been admitted to and still nothing happens in reprisal. Do the Clintons now register along with the other AH’s or their equally traitorous descendants that exist???

    Owe=woe, especially if we believe the tripe they’re feeding us.

    The other problem not being discussed is that the TPTSNB are quietly buying “hard assets” like land, gold, etc.; whether outright or through having it “designated under UN ownership”-HELLO???? Does the Obama recent land, sea and now the internet relinquishments ring a bell? This is so that they will STILL be in control by waving their ownership of this, that or the other regardless of the outcome of their plotting of global control.

    I’m just speculating here but why has the southern hemisphere been kept relatively environmentally clean and governmentally compliant? The Bush’s own the water rights in Paraguay or is it Uruguay (?) No mater, look at the kill zones, where minerals are, campaigns for “effective immunization”, insertion of various forms of totalitarianism under the guise of furthering of democracy to keep the indigenous populations there under control and pliant to their desires.

  24. David October 7, 2016 at 1:08 am #

    I appreciate Dr. Roberts’ intelligence and experience, as well as his commitment to the truth about the corruption in Wash. and the involvement of the CIA and the Neo-cons in bringing us closer to nuclear war. But, and forgive me, it is very difficult to listen to his discussion without being distracted by his inability to correctly pronounce a simple word, a word that is at the core of the discussion – nuclear. I guess I have to overlook it because of his age and patriotism. I remember when George Noory had the same problem with the same word. He still has to stop and think before he says it. That aside, thanks for having Dr. Roberts on the show to inform and enlighten us.

    • don.hensley October 7, 2016 at 6:51 pm #

      David, it isn’t just you… There was a time (I graduated in ’70) that I dreamed of being an English/Lit teacher. As they say, “Thank G*d for unanswered prayers!” I constantly show my age and upbringing with comments like, “There is only one ‘U’ in NUCLEAR!” & “Cows chew with their mouths open because they CAN’T Help It!”

      Since we have no real choice, wear it with a smile and know that Time is the great equalizer. We can only pray that this Generation gets the chance to have it. I will always believe that we are all basically the same wherever we live. All most people want, at heart, is the chance to love someone and be loved back, a place and a way to take care of those we love and the hope that things will be okay for those that follow when we are gone…

  25. Donna October 7, 2016 at 12:45 am #

    What an education tonight. This is a program I’ll have to re-listened to. As always, thanks, Mr. Wells.

  26. Beverly October 6, 2016 at 10:49 pm #

    John what is the “Collateral” hence the material items that are pledged for the debt? What lands, minerals or other resources do we give up? That is the man behind the curtain.

    Thanks Bev

  27. Bomar October 6, 2016 at 8:58 pm #

    Dudes and Dudettes,…

    Foot Stool…