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Episode 816 – Joe Kovacs & Michael Thompson

Tuesday October 3rd 2017

Joe Kovacs, Executive Editor of WND since 1999 discusses his new book, “Shocked By The Bible 2”, and reveals important details not widely known by Christians nor taught by the Church,for reasons unknown. But first we get a news update from Michael Thompson.


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39 Responses to Episode 816 – Joe Kovacs & Michael Thompson

  1. Michelle Thomas October 13, 2017 at 7:43 pm #

    To find Jesus one must kill the EGO. EGO or Life. That is the “Free Will” we all have been given by our creator. Do you think this is easy? Absolutely not. It is a narrow path for sure. Be conscious on all your decisions and you may start to see killing your ego will literally take your entire lifetime here to accomplish, for it is what we know, unconsciously choose.

    God Bless you all, for we are going to need him for this.

  2. Michele Deradune October 8, 2017 at 9:31 am #

    For anyone just reading the comments and not listening to the show, there are two places in the Bible that very plainly say we are gods: Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34. Yet read in context (and very, very clear in Psalm 82) it is clear that the wicked will DIE like men and not be as gods.

  3. Michele Deradune October 8, 2017 at 9:15 am #

    For the person who said they did not hear Joe Kovacs speak of repentance in this interview: he did speak of the importance of repentance. To hear it, start listening round about 1:20 into this video.

    Kovacs said NO preachers teach that we are gods. Actually, there is a preacher who does — but unfortunately that preacher is Kenneth Copeland, who I believe also mocks the Holy Spirit (and is in league with the pope of Rome).

    I agree with MOST of what Kovacs says, as a student of the Bible rather than as an adherent of any denomination. Great show, Mr. Wells. Thank you for this show! I had never heard of him OR his book(s) before!

  4. Randall Silva October 7, 2017 at 6:19 pm #

    Rev chapter 14:
    9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

    smoke of their torment rises up day and nite unto the ages.

    Rev Chapter 20:
    7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    this is BIBILICAL. being destroyed in the lake of fire and brimstone is NOT BIBLICAL.

    If this guy is wrong about this, especially since its so clear in 2 places in revelation, what else is he wrong about?

    • Randall Silva October 7, 2017 at 6:24 pm #

      forgot to mention this:

      Rev 20:10
      10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are.

      where the beast and the false prophet ARE. the beast and the false prophet were cast into the lake of fire 1000 years earlier, and they still ARE THERE. not destroyed.

  5. Theresa Cavagnaro October 7, 2017 at 2:05 am #

    Is there a technical reason why my comment from Oct. 4 is still awaiting moderation? Was it affected by your technical difficulties or is there another problem? Let me know, because if it got lost in the shuffle I would like to post it again. Thank you.

  6. Kenneth Mitchell October 6, 2017 at 6:38 am #

    Google “three world ages shepherd’s chapel youtube” and check out the video’s to learn what this age is about.

    • Bill October 6, 2017 at 3:23 pm #

      Aronold Murray is an excellent source. He is speculating of 3 world ages. There may be more.

      The important thing is there is more than one world age and the term world is most often translated “age”.

  7. Shawn October 6, 2017 at 1:25 am #

    The “little gods” doctrine is rank heresy. Its a very popular teaching amongst false teachers like Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn. The pastors that suppress this teaching are sound orthodox ministers of the Gospel. Satan told Eve that they would be as gods if they ate of the tree. As for Psalm 82, God is speaking with His angels. Dr. Michael Heiser would be a great guest to have on to to truthfully explain Psalm 82.

  8. Larry Whitaker October 6, 2017 at 12:11 am #

    Some of what Joe Kovacs sounds much like the splinter cultic Herbert W. Armstrong. The now defunct campus in Pasadena Ca called “The World Wide Church of God.” Joe seems to preach winning our salvation by obedience. We cannot obey God, without the new heart of Christ. His sacrifice covers our sin. God desires obedience over sacrifice, but we cannot win our own salvation by “not sinning”, or by obeying the Mosaic law. The law of Moses lead to death and the law of the Spirit “Grace” brings life everlasting. The bible does not teach the eventual “non-existence” of people who reject God. 2 Corinthians 3:6-9

    • Kenneth Mitchell October 6, 2017 at 2:17 pm #

      Armstrong wasn’t that bad, for example I enjoyed his writing The United States and Britain in Prophecy which is still available online. Don’t agree with some of his stuff. The eventual “non-existence” of people are those that are removed from the book of life. Acrostic Psalm 37 gives you a clue what happens to those who hit the lake of fire, it’s like the fat dripping off the lamb on the grill. Turns to smoke forever. Those folks are gone. You don’t get to go to the edge of Heaven and look over and see them frying … like it would really would be “Heaven” if you could see your loved one frying forever, naw, they gone, as if they never existed.

  9. z71offroad2000 October 5, 2017 at 11:14 pm #

    Please everyone and anyone involved in this program. I am in my mid 30,s and was a very serious first person shooter xbox 360 console game player. there is a game called Rainbow 6 In it you take the role of a cia-fbi related game character were the main player… you take the role as as the lead agent taking down terror organizations. Please review story lines for the games called Rainbow Six Vegas, Rainbow Six Vegas 2 the recent events we have seen all play out in these games produced over 10 years ago. Please someone make the connection

  10. alexapedigree October 5, 2017 at 4:56 pm #

    Most interesting! I listened to this whole show twice. Thanks so much.

  11. Bill October 5, 2017 at 5:43 am #

    There are a number of primary themes in the Scriptural text that is avoided by most preachers.

    Satan/Devil: Understanding what Satan is in the spiritual context
    Fear: The primary tool of the devil
    Deception: Another primary tool of the devil. Read 2 Thes 2.
    Israel: Israel is a people. Knowing true Israel, God’s elect is important.
    Money: What people use to carry out transactions for the resources on the planet.
    Earth Ages: The planet is not 6,000 years old as most preachers claim.
    World: The term world most often means age, not the planet.
    Image: Direct representation of the mind/spirit
    Adam: Adam was not originally created in a mortal body to perish.

    The list does go on.

  12. Scotster Farrar October 4, 2017 at 11:30 pm #

    Love Joe’s message, his words strike true.

  13. Dennis Troy October 4, 2017 at 11:21 pm #

    It’s All RIGHT End of the LINE

  14. Theresa Cavagnaro October 4, 2017 at 11:05 pm #

    Shocking! John, where do you find these guys (Kovac and the recent Scott Clark)and what criteria do you use in your vetting process before you invite them to communicate their false doctrine and nonsense on your show? I don’t mind hearing their ideas, but you have no one on the show to give an opposing view. The trouble with Kovac’s assumptions is that he has done what every founder of any cult you wish to name has done. He threw out traditional Christian belief, claims the church leadership has kept us all in the dark, but lucky for us he has opened the Bible and found the correct answers. That, my friend is the recipe for the beginning of another cult. Many of his assertions are from first century gnosticism, a heretical belief that Christ had a spirit body and the all god’s children would inherit spirit body’s when they’ve proved what good little boys and girls they can be if only they believe the correct truth. Several of Kovac’s comments were onerous, but the one I found particularly difficult to swallow was his assertion that God wants Lucifer to be saved. I hate to burst that bubble, but salvation is for man only, as we are made in God’s image but Lucifer was not, nor were the angels he led into rebellion. He and those angels can never be redeemed. There are plenty of good trustworthy pastors and teachers in America available to any truth seeker willing to make an effort to go out and find them. I wonder if Kovac made that effort. If anyone really wanted to know what the Christian faith is all about, study the book of Romans.


  15. Trent Fagan October 4, 2017 at 8:54 pm #

    Will yall please play Tom Petty for the break please RIP

  16. Terri Gibbins October 4, 2017 at 6:13 pm #

    Please, please, Joe Knovacs is teaching very false biblical truths…we would be pleased to send you a mountain of scriptures that will make this clear.
    Please let us know.
    Donald Gibbins

    • Larry Whitaker October 6, 2017 at 4:20 pm #

      Terrie Gibbins! That’s exactly what I’m concerned about as I mentioned in my earlier post. I love that John has many people that are biblically sound, but from time to time there are some on the program that have taken scriptures out of context, or built a false teaching based on one of two scriptures. This most recent guest sounds like he is influenced by the now defunct group known as The World Wide Church Of God, founded by Herbert Armstrong. They once claimed to be the only true church on the earth.


  17. RICHARD SZCZEPANSKI October 4, 2017 at 5:10 pm #

    For you Ark Riders out there, this is RICHARD STEVENS…

    Joe Kovacs had a very interesting message. I strongly disagree with his Annihilation Theology of what happens to the wicked and Satan when they are cast into the Lake of Fire. If cessation of existence was the final outcome for the wicked, then there would be no incentive to change anything. If you’re just going to burn up and become nothing then you might feel at Liberty to do your very worst because you’re not going to have to worry about anything once you’re burned up. The whole Terror part of being sent to hell and the Lake of Fire is the fact that you are an eternal being and was created to live forever and so was Satan and his angels. They are tormented in fire and brimstone forever and ever in the presence of the Holy Angels, and this is what the scripture says. There is nothing in it that says “and they were cast into the Lake of Fire where they were burned up into Ash and was never seen again”. Quite the contrary their torment is eternal, Everlasting, ceaseless, and will never ever come to an end. This is an inescapable prison that is the ultimate Doom for Satan and his angels and all who have followed him and his ways and anyone in the ages to come who want to take a tour to see the fate of the wicked can go to the edge of where the Lake of Fire is, in whatever construct the Lord has it in within all the Realms of Eternity, can go there and see the fate of the wicked and they can observe with their own eyes the Doom that these are going through forever and ever. It is an eternal witness and testimony of the consequences of sin and Rebellion.

  18. ctmoner October 4, 2017 at 3:20 pm #

    God promises to reveal the Truth only through the revelation given to us when we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us. When He the Spirit of Truth is come, then He will guide you into all truths. Paul teaches us that those who desire to be under the law, are under a curse. When you are focusing on keeping the law then you are focused on not breaking the law or not sinning If God nailed the ordinances (law/commandments) to the cross and said “It is finished” He was not merely bringing an end to His fleshly task of pouring out the only blood that could take away the sins of the world, He was ushering in the beginning of the New Covenant/Testament and the age of Grace in which we now live. Anyone through faith that believes they were given this free gift, instantly receives the Holy Spirit and are sealed until their day of redemption. The works are those that believe they must perform acts (follow commandments} which man cannot do {remember if you have broken even one of these, you are guilty of breaking them all} place themselves in a position to believe by keeping those commandments that they really do not believe in the finality of the cross. They bring to shame the sacrifice done by Christ!
    Christ is the Testator of the New Covenant/Testament/Will of God and without the death of the Testator His new will cannot come into effect.

  19. Donna Anderson October 4, 2017 at 2:01 pm #

    Doubling down on my prayers for you. Repentant heart gives Glory and Praise for this episode. For your organization and it’s missions. And For Your Ministry Mr Wells.
    Please Be Blessed and Soldier On Boldly That All Have An Opportunity To Choose Life. Choose Good. Choose Yeshua HaMeschiach !!!. Amen and Amayn.
    IMHO from Another Lost Angel Finding Her Light and Clutching It Tightly.

  20. Dennis Troy October 4, 2017 at 10:47 am #

    ^ DIVIDE * up down left right black white wrong Right Wide BROADWAY Down HILL … OR UP The Straight And NARROW PATH TO ETERNAL LIFE a FULL TIME JOB. 🙂 NOT PART TIME = Luke warm REMEMBER David Koresh ? Or Viciki Weaver, baby , son, husband auto , SEMI ,,, Shorten ar s , Fast n furious , They SUPPLIED WHO Ama cdc oss cia atf Health Father land taxxx man Our RIGHTS COME FROM GOD ! … Not gov NICE 🙂 JOHN “” A Good and FAITH FULL SERVE Ant ” WELL PLEASED “” 🙂 DUTY Honer GOD TRY To KEEP COMMAND MENTS . not Suggestions , FORGIVENESS , Some of these WORDS and names go to the other note I sent 🙂 And NOW You KNOW “” The REST Of ::: “””” THEIR Story “” YES They Know Our “” REST “” , Not ! 🙂 GOOD DAY 🙂

  21. Lynne October 4, 2017 at 9:06 am #

    Dear John B.

    A million thanks for your most EXQUISITE rant on this episode. You so deftly and superbly voiced what so many of us are thinking about this whole Las Vegas debacle. The accused shooter so obviously looks quite hapless and utterly incapable of planning such a complicated undertaking. As you said, all will be revealed–the veils are lifting, AT LAST!!

    Just a couple of things you might already know–this website, a most interesting site, put ads on Craigslist looking for people to be part of a demonstration/crowd in Las Vegas at $25+ per hour not so very long ago. And, Mr. Paddock supposedly wired $100,000 to his partner in the Philippines not so long ago. It is and will continue to get curiouser and curiouser….

    Again, THANK YOU for your passion, conviction, honesty and Truth. We love you and your team, John B. We pray for you all–stay safe….

  22. Jo October 4, 2017 at 9:00 am #

    I find it very concerning that he never mentions repentence of sin, just obedience and the law. Maybe I missed that part?

  23. Dennis Troy October 4, 2017 at 4:55 am #

  24. Dennis Troy October 4, 2017 at 4:47 am #

    GREAT ! Joe underStands Gods LETTER , Because IT was “” Taken PERSONALLY “” As HIS LETTER OF INSTRUCTION To “” TRY TO FOLLOW “” . 🙂 JOHN do not worry to much about UnderStanding All that I was trying to Explain in my other NOTE To YOU Because IT was MAINLY About The PAST and about FLESH bodies . . JOE KOVACS Kept Explaining That WE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS , in the Flesh TRYING to DO RIGHT , IN THE “” LIGHT “” . OFFERED REPENTANCE when we make mistakes , CAN BE FORGIVEN as WE ATTEMPT TO FOLLOW THE “” STRAIGHT AND NARROW PATH “” 🙂 THAT IS “” A CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS MISSION “” 🙂 We all Have a CHOICE , PLUS Gain KNOWLEDGE By STUDYING The 🙂 “” WRITTEN WORD “” .:) HE is Our EXAMPLE “” HOW TO DEFEAT DEATH “” …. 28 Ezk the “” SON OF PERDITION “” HAS already BEEN SENTENCED , To Turn to ashes BE BLOTTED OUT, meaning “” BE AS THOUGH he NEVER EXISTED “” . ……………… THE LESS WE “” THINK etc of him “” THE BETTER “” , The REASON I Think or WRITE OF HIM <<< AND "" THE GOATS ON THE LEFT "" IS TO WARN OTHERS OF "" THE ENEMY """ !!!!!!!! …….. YES JOE Has The CORRECT ORDER AS LONG as "" WE ARE NOT DECEIVED """ AS CHRIST TOLD US """ The MANY MEMBERED BODY OF CHRIST= " THE ANNOINTED "" JESUS = "" SAVIOR "" . ( There Is ONLY ONE KING ) ……………………….. Everyone is staying Here TO EXPOSE THE ANTI-christ AS A "" DECEIVER "" NoOne is leaving . ,,,, JOHN .. There are TWO THINGS JESUS WOULD ( And WILL SAY ) #1 IT IS WRITTEN ! # 2 HAVE YOU NOT READ ? Using a KJV BIBLE a STRONGS CONCORDENCE and Common Sense Can SHOW THE MEANING OF WORDS , "" The Word HATE "" Can mean "" LOVE LESS "" OR HATE THE DECEIVER Meaning "" THE ENEMY "" who '' The SWORD "" CAN and WILL "" be used . TO CORRECT "" ( The SWORD IS "" THE WORD OF GOD "" = "" TRUTH "" ,, "" LIGHT "" . TO SHINE 🙂 AND YES JOHN 🙂 You ARE "" RIGHT "" As A "" CHILD OF THE LIGHT "" , WE KNOW the DARKNESS is "" WHERE THEY TRY TO HIDE "" 🙂

  25. Thomas Cool October 4, 2017 at 3:57 am #

    The Zionists have been dividing White people since before WW II. At that time, German-Americans comprised 53% of the American population. German-Americans were pitted against the German-Europeans. German-Europeans were labeled “Nazis” by the Zionist controlled media. The cost to the White race was horrendous.
    Then the American Zionist media convinced the Americans that Arabs in the Middle East were the new Nazis. At great expense and much loss of life, the brainwashed Americans came through again and made the Middle East safe for Israeli expansion and control. Now ISIS rules the Arab Middle East and Israel directs ISIS at the top.
    The Zionist controlled media slaps a new Nazi label on Americans who are once again just a little too White and intolerant. These new Nazis are the people who like Country music and drive pickup trucks. Once again, the Zionist media protects their attack dogs, like Antifa, and gets those thugs to attack the new Nazis label.
    When are we going to learn folks? The Zionist media intends to wipe us all out eventually. They continuously divide and conquer one group against the other. I suspect the eventual goal is a nice nuclear war between America, Russia and China. That should finish us all off. Then, Israel can bring in their Messiah, the anti-Christ, and enslave what is left of the whole world under their demon called Zion.

  26. Clayton Sims October 4, 2017 at 3:53 am #

    Stray ‘When It Rains’ is a beautiful piece of music…

  27. ROLAND EDGAR October 4, 2017 at 2:41 am #

    Sent: 10/3/2017 11:35:54 A.M. GMT Daylight Time
    Subj: Fwd: bilateral and international agenda

    For EEAS Records encl. c/c Interested third parties


    Sent: 10/3/2017 11:25:12 A.M. GMT Daylight Time

    Subj: bilateral and international agenda
    Ma’am FYI

    Tass Press Release:

    MOSCOW, October 3. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has sent greetings to Germany’s President Frank Walter Steinmeier and Chancellor Angela Merkel on the occasion of German Unity Day.

    “Russia attaches great importance to preserving the positive potential accumulated in relations with Germany over a long period of time.

    We hope that the year of regional-municipal partnerships, which is an extension of ‘cross years’, will promote wider mutually beneficial bilateral relations in various spheres,” Putin said in the message.

    He reaffirmed interest in building up joint efforts with Germany in addressing topical issues of the bilateral and international agenda to the benefit of Russian and German peoples along the track of ensuring security and stability in Europe and around the world.

    Comment: If Germany does not respond she will be left behind. The EU cannot compete with Eurasia.

    The UK can clearly see this happening in international trade. The EU-USA-UK is losing economic contracts day after day.

    The Juncker leadership is a following a failed plan. There will be a multipolar world, but Junker’s orders are at variance.

    If Juncker is seeking social unrest and a divided Europe then he has succeeded.

    Meanwhile the people have to trade:

    My vacuum machine technician is a Turk who is based in Germany; the tyres I use are made by a Finnish company with factories in the RF.

    The Finnish tractor manufacturers use tyres made in India. The smaller vehicles we use are made in Japan.

    When we need to make a temporary bridge across a ravine or a river we use materials from Russia.

    And so it goes on: The EU cannot stop people trading. This is a MULTI POLAR WORLD.

    Faithfully Roland Edgar Dent GBR DL13 3PR

  28. stephen voigt October 4, 2017 at 12:54 am #

    This guy kovacks bibicial l theology is way off . He borders new age.

    • RICHARD SZCZEPANSKI October 9, 2017 at 6:16 pm #

      Yes it does indeed Steve. Is right there with several other heresies. Annihilationism still has a lot of followers today considering that its Origins were quite a ways back and declared heresy by the church at Large. Kovacs teachings are antithetical from what Jesus himself talk regarding what happens to a person after death. Particularly those in an unsaved state. I can tell you this, people in Hell could only wish they could be annihilated! That was the whole point of many suicide attempts is the belief that either they are going to cease to exist or possibly end up in a better place although only Satan can give somebody those kinds of crazy ideas. They’re certainly not found anywhere in the scriptures in the Holy Bible is the ultimate final word on all things theological regarding Christianity and all judeo-christian teachings.

  29. Dennis Troy October 4, 2017 at 12:28 am #

    Church David ( MakingGunsFull AUTO ,They ::””SAID”” , “”” MANY MANY “”” To many , Tanks CS GAS, FIRE REPEAT Change NAME ( HISTORY Repeats If “” IT WORKS “” John I am not trying to make you Angry rrrr ) STOP TAKE A DEEP BREATH “” THEY ARE TRYING TO “””” C O N “”” TROL You , US “” “” THEY Play WAR “” They Go OVER THERE KILL BAD GUYS “” GETTING PRACTICE “”” “””””””””””” A L L “”””” JOINED “”” NO one DRAFTED . Come BACK TO U.S. To Get a JOB As CIVILIAN POLICE . OSS PLANTING Trees and CHECKING EVERY ONE To MAKE SURE “”” THEY GROW VERY FAST , But They “”MUST BE RATIONED “”” Also “”” NO MODIFYING “”” Snug ( BackWards 🙂 And NO THERE WERE NOT Injured .. Some killed some were wounded PS not 500 were HIT by bullets But ALL WERE terrorIZED . That is Their MO MethodOf OPERATION “” ”’——‘> DIVIED <-=-=-=-=- ''''' Using """ fear ''' To CON trol PLEASE JOHN UnderSTAND Read this over several times PLEASE PS Any time THEY GIVE A % OR A "" NUMBER """ They Will say 2 dead 14 HURT or INJURED then they change THE # . ummmm They are LYING !!!!!!!!!!! # 1 NO lone gun man # 2 WHO Done it "" THEM """ # 3 Why yyyyyy " Totaldis arm ament in A PEACE FULL WORLD "" UN EARTH CHARTER # remember REPEAT , Brendi PLEASE MAKE SURE JOHN READS THIS TO UNder STAND THEM ThankYOU 🙂 Dennis 🙂 CAPS Are easierForME ToSEE 🙂 CHIN UP 🙂 WeAreWINNING 🙂

  30. David Westerhold October 4, 2017 at 12:05 am #

    I might add, I heard Rush L. today, Tuesday, play some audio clips of some Congress persons remarks regarding the Vegas incident. One was Elizabeth Warren. Her statement was moronic, and of course urged gun control. I found the email/contact form for her on and let her know. I said, “I’m appalled at your remarks politicizing this mass shooting. Do you not have respect or sympathy for the victims? We do not yet know the motive for this, or if others were involved, or if it was a terrorist act. How was this man able to obtain this many weapons and get them into a hotel room? You should withhold judgment until all the facts are in. This may turn out to be another false flag event to further the leftist agenda.” That was my response to Senator Warren. I think I will look up some more Senators tomorrow and hit them up with my thoughts.

  31. David Walker October 3, 2017 at 11:30 pm #

    I think you’ll be “shocked” by this Joe :

    On another note, I have a suggestion for everyone. We should have a ‘national prayer day’ dedicated JUST to God Himself causing every single scum bag involved in the Vegas false flag event, to be exposed and arrested and the gun grabbing and ( evidently, ) metal detector AGENDA to be exposed. We should pick a day that gives time to build it going viral. Say … October 22nd or something ? If enough of us begged God He would listen. I know ! Aren’t you SICK of the pedofiles and deep state shooters etc sneaking off the radar ? Sometimes it builds up and we can’t do it so we need to ask God to : TAKE OUT THE TRASH !!!

  32. David Westerhold October 3, 2017 at 11:11 pm #

    “These bastards are nothin’ but a bunch of murdering trash straight outta hell”. John, I said to myself, “what did he say?”, played it again, and said to myself, “YES”! I really like to hear you say what I’m thinking! We need to no more mince our words, no more tolerate these scum. The year of intolerance! Please stay on the Las Vegas story until we get the REAL truth. I noticed that Jon Rappoport was on this right away Monday with very good updates that gave us more than the propaganda news will.